Estafa Advertencia a los vendedores de dominios:
Hay personas que se dedican a estafar a los vendedores de dominios solicitandoles una valoracion del mismo en determinadas empresas que ellos te inducen a elegir y luego de que tu gastas el dinero en la valuacion, desaparecen.
Para convencerte de la importancia de la valuacion te remiten a un foro donde ellos se supone que buscan asesoramiento sobre el tema.
He encontrado dos foros y adivinen... son iguales solo cambia el nombre del timador, en uno es Johnston y en el otro S. Ludwig el resto de los personajes mantiene el mismo nombre, realmente una verguenza lo que hace esta gente, aqui les dejo los nombres de los foros para que entren y vean:
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/792846.htm
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/28014.htm
Esto lo averigue despues de que casi soy victima de una estafa por parte de uno de ellos, los mails siempre son @toughguy.net
A continuacion les dejo el historial de negociaciones entre el estafador y un servidor para que vean como funcionan:
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Primer mail que envia el sujeto:
We are interested in mivideo.info
Your name was listed in online auction. What is your price for the name?
Our company is involved in software development/support business.
Now domain invetsing/reselling is just an additional direction of our investment strategy.
Looking forward to do business with you.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXXX
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Respuesta mia:
Thank you very much for your contact, in relation your consultation I comment to that at this moment we are opened to receiving offers.
We stay to the wait of your communication.
There forgives our English (translation of the www.elmundo.es/traductor)
Regards,
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2° mail del sujeto:
I need to know the lowest price you can accept.
What is your price range: $5,000 or $6,000 or even higher?
I'm sure it will take a lot of time and efforts to find someone who will offer you more.
Please send your answer to me as soon as possible
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Respuesta mia:
We have the domain placed in sale together with the system of videos in Esedo with a minimal price of 10000 Euros.
But if you does not wish the whole system, the alone domain have a minimal price of 8000 Euros.
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3er mail del sujeto:
10,000 euros. Ok.
Do you sell domain with a web site or just name?
If just name it's ok. Web site is not necessary.
Have you had your domains appraised already? Can you show me your valuation certificates? As fas I know it's a common practice to show appraisal of domain name (even without traffic and web site) before doing business.
Without appraisal I risk to overpay. In other words I won't be able to make a profit on reselling this name. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domains.
Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging an appraisal company with REAL manual service. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate auto-generated appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/792846.htm
Just check this posting.
If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.
After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.
How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
Looking forward to your reply
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Respuesta mia:
We have not realized the valuation of the site, if you wishes it you can request it to the company that you creates suitably, and after obtaining the result we will be able to know if we realize the business or not.
In case of the business being closed the payment can realize route paypal
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4° mail del sujeto:
Hello,
This is a regular practice to provide buyers or resellers with professional
and independent valuation. Serious investors must be sure in your price.
Without it they risk to overpay.
Anyway, you won't be able to sell without professional appraisal.
Of course, serious investors cannot accept auto-generated services. They
need an accurate valuation made by humans not scripts.
I've found the following information about appraisals at:
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/792846.htm
Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.
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Respuesta mia:
I´m sending the url of the statistics of the site from esedo, where it is put in sale.
I hope that this information is of utility to realize a more suitable valuation.
I stay to the wait of your response to initiate the final negotiations.
http://www.sedo.com/search/details.p...d=&language=es
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5° mail del sujeto:
Sedo is a good broker and we can use it for transfer/transaction.
Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an appraiser because your names
are listed with them and they are not independent. They are interested in
earning 10% commission on every sale. I need appraisals from a company
which is not interested in selling your domains.
I researched several companies and here are the results:
I wanted to use Afternic.com, but their service is questionable after all.
Just read this:
http://www.igoldrush.com/links3.htm
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."
Another complaint
http://www.out-law.com/page-1630
So we should avoid Afternic.com.
The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual since they are cheap. Nobody will do a research for several bucks. They are just collecting money using their well-known names.
I asked about other reputable appraisers in a forum. Several experts recommended me DomainSecondHands' appraisal service -
http://www.domainsecondhand.com/appraisal.htm as a fast, accurate and non-expensive (about $70 or something like that) manual service.
I also trust the manual appraisal service from http://www.DomainMart.com but it's very expensive - $200/hour. This service was also recommended by many people. If you can afford $200 DomainMart.com's fee it would be great. They also provide cheap automated service but it's not acceptable.
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respuesta mia:
I leave to your election the company with the one that wants to appraise the domain, once appraised envienos the results and in agreement to the same ones we will discuss the final price
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6° email del sujeto:
It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..
Sorry, but it's difficult to understand your position.
As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.
I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.
Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.
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Respuesta mia:
Since we could not agree with you Who would take over the costs to valuation the domain, waits to be able to collect the money for its realization at that time and even if it has not been sold the domain and if you still interested again do business.
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7° y ultimo mail del sujeto:
It's a seler's responsibility to pay for appraisal.
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Respuesta mia:
I understand and I agree with you, but frankly not counting on the money for it and you are interested in the domain, you figured it could pay the exceptionally getaways with our previous commitment to sell you the domain and deduct the final sale money he has put into the Assessment.
This will make the business could form faster.
Otherwise we should expect, we and you, we can collect money from the Assessment to continue negotiations.
Equally respect and understand his decision, we remain in touch
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Luego de esto el sujeto interrumpio la comunicacion y la negociacion del dominio
Saludos a todos y cuidense, esta gente tiene mil caras!!!
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